Anónimo ha dicho: I see a lot of posts in which white people are declared black even if history proves them white. I don't see what wrong claims will do, when there were truly amazing black people who were simply forgotten by history. I think they should be brought back into memory and history books. For example Mary Seacole who in my eyes is a very very inspirational woman. There is a very interesting documentary on youtube about her: Mary Seacole: Angel of the Crimea
Like medievalpoc and their absurd claim that Beethoven was black while they don’t talk about Dumas at all, who guess what, was actually black.
-the italian one
Same user, just changed my URL because I got bored of my previous one. (I had for more than a year XD).
Oh, you can be as honest as you wish and I always found not politically correct views to be more true. I wrote a brief answer, but this subject certainly warrants a discussion.
They’re the epitome of the conforming non-conformist, the pseudo-intellectual that thinks they know it all without putting in the effort of picking up a book or even running a Google search for sources.
Yes, and what is worse that when you present them with an argument, they throw meaningless words about ableism, being human piece of trash or just “But I believe so”. It’s the tumblr lazy habit of making a conclusion without any substantial proof and being angry about nothing.
The documentary was a series of testimonies by the grandchildren of said officials claiming that they feel guilty of what their ancestors did and that they will never be able to live with such a heavy burden.
See, this is something I noticed only in USA. IN my country, we don’t have time for this and we are miserable as we are to even bother with this bullshit, but this generational hate and apologism for what someone else did is either
a) geniune. Then it’s jut makes me cringe because someone is wasting their time and life on these unwarranted emotions. Since they will not undo what was done and since they are not the ones who had a hand in it, it’s pretty much misguided.
b) fake. They do it for political reasons, to be well-liked among in discriminant people on tumblr, which makes me cringe because it’s not sincere and just a tool for which people fall over and over again and I have to ask myself how long they will keep falling for it.
I am a granddaughter and a great-grand daughter of political and war prisoners, my great-grandfather was in concentration camps along with his father and my grandfather on father’s side went insane from guilt because he was presiding over the fake Soviet tribunals which sent people to war and he was locked in an asylum but the family proclaimed him dead for the rest of the world. Probably was afraid of repercussions when the Soviet Union collapsed. I know what and how it was done, I know what people are capable of, I know what my family is capable of, but I fell absolutely no guilt and it’s not a burden at all to be a relative of his not only because I did not do it, but because it cannot be undone and I wasn’t even born to even try to stop him. And i am not going to pretend otherwise.
I don’t know what kind of person you have to be to genuinely feel guilt about it.
…because she feared that her children could take after their great grandfather, she never had any kids so she could spare the world of such a monster
People are so goddamn ignorant to even think like that, not even act upon it. Foolishness.
I am repulsed by it. Honestly.
as just an excuse for an stereotypical American audience to keep pushing the agenda of: “Hey! We may be fucked up in many ways, but we kicked the Nazis were it hurt the most!”
Yeah, it is offputing to say the least, that most Americans do not whatsoever acknowledge that Russians played an even bigger role in repelling the Nazi Germany. Even at schools, Russia’s role in victory is downplayed and it just makes me mad because those people went to battle with one rifle with two bullets for two, bare against tanks and artillery and they died by the dozen each minute, but America still believes that in everything it’s the center of the world.
This is such a pervasive mentality here.
Hell, every other country’s role is downplayed. USA won by itself. Whatever. I don’t have time or desire to educate every such person .;)
And it’s all a way to avoid acknowledging that moralities are irrelevant in the bigger scale of history
Agreed. Many people try to reject it so hard and cling to some morals. To history they are irrelevant. Despicable things were done and had to be done. To try to pretend like they didn’t to maintain some pure image of humanity is just being in denial.
My most important question to history was this: Why? I mean, disregarding a popular image that the rules are guilty for everything everywhere, why is it that some thing had to be done in a gruesome way and would not have succeeded otherwise (they tried, but failed). The answer to this question is the one I will always seek, but so far the results of such investigation are pessimistic at best.
Spanish people are POC because they’re Northern Africans, but they were white for over four centuries because they were pro-colonialism. And the US has systematically erased any traces of Spanish influence in their territories, but it doesn’t matter to them, because the US has all these inequalities because the Spanish crown paid for Columbus to go to America. But Columbus was Italian, not Spanish, so don’t get mad when I trash him and all his men — mostly Spanish sailors — because it has nothing to do with you and is based on the most reliable sources on the Internet: my feels.
Perfectly put. I noticed this, too. When Americans are talking about colonialism, it’s always Britain and America. They downplay Spanish colonialism as much as they can. Or Russian, for that matter. But Russia expanded at the existence of other “whiteys”, so who cares, right? Slavs are minorities, even in their own countries.
Besides, so was Amerigo Vespucci. Italian, that is. XD
I also never understood why everyone is going crazy about Columbus.
European/Western society is that in an attempt to avoid being branded “racist” or “xenophobic” we go out of our way to sacrifice our own values. In an attempt to be the good people riding the highest horse,
Yes, this is a very important point and it takes a lot of self-analysis and looking outside for other perspectives to escape that. For them. And I am glad you escaped it, too.
In my country it’s the same, but different. I am not afraid to voice out this unconventional thought, but Ukraine is at fault for its own misfortunes. It’s not the big bad Russia anymore. These tumlberinas complain only about Black slavery and how it is pervasive in our culture, but they have no idea how TRULY pervasive the theme of slavery is in Ukrainian culture. Every “classics” is about slavery, every poem is about slavery, every story, every word. All is struggles against slavery and serfdom. Ukraine rides on misery and begs for a pity party from Europe and Americas willing to kiss their ass on every corner.
Ukraine reminds me of some of these SJWs and this is another reason I could not accept that. I could not accept to be like my country wants me to be for all the years I loved there, I rebelled and I fought for myself. And now I have to listen to this on some internet site?
Both mentalities turn me away, so to speak.
The statement that women are oppressed in America is also most hilarious one. XD I came here and it disgusts me. Many women I meet behave like they are queens of the world and shit on men and cry that they are oppressed and they fight oppression and I cannot stand it.
I admit you scared me a bit with that name change. I was wondering who this random person was XD
They also erase the role of the French and Spanish exiles as part of the inner resistence who fought the Nazis and liberated Paris. I won’t go as far as to say that the war could have been won without them, but the Americans weren’t the only ones fighting that war and they weren’t definitely as efficient as an army as they’d like to think. And don’t get me started on the whole D-Day thing. Yeah, it was impresive. No, it was not the first time an aero-naval landing was done. In fact, the first event of such characteristics was carried out by the Spanish army in Alhucemas in 1925 in the war against Morocco (the Rif War) . It always reminds me of how the British governments and intellectuals have painted the British forces involved in the Peninsular War — the Spanish war of independence against the French — as the sole saviours of Spain, when the British wouldn’t even know how to fight inland. Take them out of their ships and they wouldn’t do shit against the French on a territory unknown to them. There’s a difference between being proud that, for once, you supported someone who needed it — and took all you wanted while you were at it — and appropriating the suffering and deaths of hundreds of people who fought for their own freedom. I also love how American governments have systematically portrayed the US as a freedom loving country who fights for democracy, when they have repeatedly negotiated with terrorists and even dictatorships.
 There are several videos on Youtube on this part of Spanish history, but they’re all in Spanish, for obvious reasons. The landing doesn’t even have its own page in the English Wikipedia. In any case, that was the birth of the Spanish legion and there are some heroic episodes of soldiers going to war being sure they would die just so they could give time to the other soldiers to flee. There were also some terrible excesses on both sides against their war prisoners — e.g. beheadings.
«Yes, and what is worse that when you present them with an argument, they throw meaningless words about ableism, being human piece of trash or just “But I believe so”. It’s the tumblr lazy habit of making a conclusion without any substantial proof and being angry about nothing.»
My father couldn’t go on with his studies, but he’s one of the most reasonable people I know of. I may never inherit properties or much money from him, but I’ve been raised pretty well if I may say so myself. I’ve been taught to look at all sides of a conflict and to avoid being irrational to people in a discussion. I think we’ve all reacted in this exaggerated way once or twice. As kids that were told no. However, my father always made me look back on my behaviour and told me that if I ever wanted to be taken seriously, I needed to present my arguments in a calm and orderly manner.
These people mix too many words: opinions and facts, rude and passionate. There are opinions and then there are facts. Saying that Spanish people are exotic is an opinion. Saying that they’re POC is a lie. Saying that they were characterised as inferior and non-human based on a false pretense of racial difference is a fact. There are works that present the Spanish as violent and overly sexualised monsters. That same narrative suddenly changes when the UK starts getting involved in Spanish history and takes advantage of it. There’s evidence that the US has presented Russia as inhuman and depraved. There’s propaganda that shows the exploitation of those persecuted in Eastern Europe as cheap labour force in American factories. If there’s evidence, and it can stand on its own, that’s a fact, not an opinion. So save the whole “That’s your opinion” line, because it’s not necessary. Same for the “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”
In the same way, you can express your opposing perspective without being a douche. You can be well-mannered and help others understand your arguments if you don’t insult them. Contrary to popular belief, being called “a racist piece of shit” is not a good way to get people’s attention.
«I know what and how it was done, I know what people are capable of, I know what my family is capable of, but I fell absolutely no guilt and it’s not a burden at all to be a relative of his not only because I did not do it, but because it cannot be undone and I wasn’t even born to even try to stop him. And i am not going to pretend otherwise. »
Spain was a dictatorship for almost 40 years. Besides Portugal, it’s one of the longest dictatorships in Europe. Franco died old, terribly ill and miserable, in a hospital’s bed and had the time to enjoy his impunity alongside his family. Yet, I cannot and will not demand them to admit that their grandfather was a criminal. I cannot. Years ago, some films made by Franco himself of animals while hunting or even his family on holidays were on TV and people were frothing at the mouth about this: “The bastard was enjoying all this while my family was starving to death!” “My grandfather was rotting in a fucking prison and executed and this son of a bitch was filming his grandchildren at the beach!” It wouldn’t be fair to do this either. The Franco you’re seeing there is the grandfather, the father and the husband, not the head of a dictatorship. Not to mention that it’s impossible to prove that Franco was aware of all that went on behind the political apparatus.
I don’t think any of my relatives fought in the war, but whether they did or not, it’s too far away for me to resume their battles. I know of terrible episodes that affected some relatives that I never got to know, some, more light-hearted moments or even curious — my great-grandparents had to marry again after the Civil War because all the registries at churches and city halls disappeared. Some relatives lost everything in the war and had to start from scratch. In any case, the main teaching those people left us was their strength to recover — or at least try to recover — from one of the most traumatic experiences they’ve ever gone through and to keep pushing and trying. Spain was a dictatorship for so long, but when it exploded in the late 70s, things changed so rapidly and wildly that it could make your head spin. Everything changed: clothes, music, pop culture. The period known in Spanish history as La Transición showed that letting go of the past could be therapeutic. Spanish society could finally heal after accepting that those events were long gone and Spain should move forward.
Needless to say, certain politicians have done their best to keep that wound open.
«My most important question to history was this: Why? I mean, disregarding a popular image that the rules are guilty for everything everywhere, why is it that some thing had to be done in a gruesome way and would not have succeeded otherwise (they tried, but failed). The answer to this question is the one I will always seek, but so far the results of such investigation are pessimistic at best.»
The Spanish Civil War started in 1936 and lasted for three years. It was a conflict were EVERYTHING was accepted. Women and children were executed as the men who fought for the opposite faction, most prisoners were tortured to death and humilliated and the images of death and misery were portrayed in many newspapers of the time across the globe. Many young men from European countries — like the UK — or even from outside — the US — signed up to fight for the Republic, the legitimate government. They risked their lives and even died for a set of ideals that they truly believed in. People have tried to show many different sides to this story: the evil right-wing parties and military officials that set the army against the legitimate government, the incompetence of the Republic, the fact that they had decided to cut their expenditure in the military, etc. The only thing that’s sure is that the citizens weren’t seen as human and they could be killed if that meant reaching power. The only reason I see behind the massacre at Badajoz — with 4,000 people executed — or the siege of big cities or the bombing of towns was simply the thirst for power and the need to control the land. Don’t forget Machiavelli, the end justifies the means. After all, we only respect life because a bunch of papers through our history told us to.
Sociology and anthropology have done a great job in trying to understand how moralities work and, to me, Ariès’ Western Attitudes toward Death: From the Middle Ages to the Present shows how the taboos surrounding death are fairly recent. I’m pretty sure there must be works in the history of “mentalities” and “moralities” that may deal with this. I’m not saying that you’ll find a satisfactory answer there, but it may give you some peace of mind.
«Ukraine reminds me of some of these SJWs and this is another reason I could not accept that. I could not accept to be like my country wants me to be for all the years I loved there, I rebelled and I fought for myself. And now I have to listen to this on some internet site?
Both mentalities turn me away, so to speak.»
As brash as I may sound with this, I sometimes feel like we’ve replaced one dictatorship with another one. I’m not saying we’re oppressed. Not at all. But we live in a time when hurt feelings matter more than objectivity. You cannot say that, today, we’re free to speak our minds: to begin with because the first thing that will stop you is your own conscience. “I cannot say this kind of things to these people.” Then, it’s the peer pressure and the whole politically correct discourse. “If it’s offensive, it’s not true no matter what.” It’s even worse when they acknowledge that it is true, but it’s offensive, so hide it. And then they use the expressions “You need to understand that …” which is speech code for “don’t say insensitive things”. Seeing both sides of a conflict is impossible, because one side is already evil and you cannot try to understand WHY something happened. The only reason why is that THEY are bad, WE are good. Therefore if you’re NOT WITH us, you’re AGAINST us and we must punish you. And you’re excluded. I know that these people are powerless, but look at the amount of stupid laws passed because of feminist lobbies around Europe. Look at the definition of gender violence in most countries: it only goes one way and it doesn’t specifically protect children or the elderly, the other true victims of domestic violence. Look at the people willing to justify inhuman practises because they’re part of someone’s culture. It’s a sad time to be aware of your surroundings, to be honest.